NS(4) Reverb Effect Chain Question

[jonilikeskeys]

Hey everyone,

on my NS2 I had a guitar like patch with control pedal morphed to the level (volume) of that sound. I had a thick reverb on it, that helped me cover my fade-ins and fade-outs into the sound, using the pedal. Like this, I was able to achieve thick and long standing "whale-like" guitar pads. It sounded very nice, even though I used a clav (!) as the original sound source.

On My NS4 now I have the problem, that the layer volume also cuts the reverb that I applied on the sound. So whenever I take back my control pedal, the sound is suddenly completely dry/gone.

Looking at the effect chain, the NS4 seems to be designed with the layer volume above ALL effects. (Same principle applies to the delay.)

Is it supposed to be like this? Can I adjust this in any way? Even if I switch the reverb to global, I get the same result.

On the NS2, the reverb must've been at the end of the effect chain. How is it on the NS3?
Of course, I could morph the filter cutoff using a guitar sample of the sample section, giving me that long lasting reverb. But, obviously, that's not the same.

Any advice?

[jonilikeskeys]

The reverb for my NS3 works similar to your NS2. I would suggest reporting this to Clavia as a bug, as the level hasn't been implemented at the end of the effect chain in any prior model. A similar problem has been noted in the post NS4 Known Issues/Bugs related to the reverb noticeably cutting out with seamless transitions. Good luck!

[jonilikeskeys]

Thank you for the quick reply!
I have another thing which is, in my understanding, the same problem:

If you "hide" a harsh attack using a morphed fade-in (same sound as explained above), that harsh attack will become audible in the delay section.

Dry signal: fade-in - no attack
Wet signal: harsh attack, because - as written above - the layer volume stands even above the effects.

You would expect the delay effect to be true to the originally played sound, right?

I will add these things both to the list and also report them. I'm just checking if my expectation maybe is completely wrong.

[jonilikeskeys]

...You would expect the delay effect to be true to the originally played sound, right?

I will add these things both to the list and also report them. I'm just checking if my expectation maybe is completely wrong.

I agree, thanks for reporting them to Clavia.

[jonilikeskeys]

...
I agree, thanks for reporting them to Clavia.

Thank you for organizing all this!

[EllHerrington]

I just received my Nord stage 4 and can’t believe they missed this detail out. This is a dealer breaker and is making me want a Nord stage 3 again. I extensively use the expression pedal to fade in/out volume combined with the wheel modulated the cutoff. This makes the stage 4 far less expressive than the stage 2/3. I don’t see Nord updating this as the wave 2 has this characteristic. I wish I knew this before I purchased, some things you only find out after sitting down with it.

[mcrossy]

Hi, I've recently bought the new NS4 and just discovered this "bug".
I've reported it to Clavia main support, and to the Italian distributor AlgamEko: they told me that they will report to Clavia too.
But it's disappointing having to see that this question has been reported at least one year ago, and it's still without solution (the latest firmware update has been released less than one month ago).
Strangely, this behaviour appears to work differently in the other sections of the keyboard (organs/pianos...), so it is not clear if this is a programming error, or if it follows a precise criterion.
Really annoying question for a 4k€ instrument...

[WannitBBBad]

...Strangely, this behaviour appears to work differently in the other sections of the keyboard (organs/pianos...), so it is not clear if this is a programming error, or if it follows a precise criterion.
Really annoying question for a 4k€ instrument...

Unfortunately the current implementation is "by design". The effects are post fader for the Organ and pre-fader for the Piano and Synth. I discuss it a bit more in my post viewtopic.php?p=178936#p178936

[DJKeys]

...Strangely, this behaviour appears to work differently in the other sections of the keyboard (organs/pianos...), so it is not clear if this is a programming error, or if it follows a precise criterion.
Really annoying question for a 4k€ instrument...

Unfortunately the current implementation is "by design". The effects are post fader for the Organ and pre-fader for the Piano and Synth. I discuss it a bit more in my post viewtopic.php?p=178936#p178936

The Wave 2 was the first instrument with this architecture. Going forward, my guess is that the next release instruments will also have this individual layer setup. Not sure they will implement post fader effects, but we can hope!


-dj

[timmmy000]

Thank you for the quick reply!
I have another thing which is, in my understanding, the same problem:

If you "hide" a harsh attack using a morphed fade-in (same sound as explained above), that harsh attack will become audible in the delay section.

Dry signal: fade-in - no attack
Wet signal: harsh attack, because - as written above - the layer volume stands even above the effects.

You would expect the delay effect to be true to the originally played sound, right?

I will add these things both to the list and also report them. I'm just checking if my expectation maybe is completely wrong.

Would it be a workaround (til it is fixed in a further firmware) to assign the amount of delay to the Pedal, too?

Regards
Tim