output volume

[Orionn]

I have a NS3. With the same volume level on both the section and the general volume, I get different output levels on the PA. I guess the samples have different volume levels.
Is there a way to equalize that so in a live setting, I don't need to adjust the volume when moving between programs ?

[maxpiano]

There is a parameter for that, see Utility Functions - Program Level (PROG LEVEL) on NS3 manual
(in general, it is a good thing to spend some time and read it all, to get a better knowledge of your NS3)

[Orionn]

Thx maxpiano, but the PROG LEVEL affects only the panels/engines of a single program. What I'm looking for is leveling the volume across programs of a Song for instance, or across songs.

[cgrafx]

Thx maxpiano, but the PROG LEVEL affects only the panels/engines of a single program. What I'm looking for is leveling the volume across programs of a Song for instance, or across songs.

Yes, you'll have to go through each program and adjust and set those levels on each program to match per your taste and playing style. There is no automatic way to do it.

[Orionn]

Well, that is a bit annoying, but is there an indication of the output level per program so at least to have an indication ?

[maxpiano]

Well, that is a bit annoying, but is there an indication of the output level per program so at least to have an indication ?

Your ears or the mixer VU Meters or equivalent... consider anywya that for dynamic sounds (particularly pianos) the level depends also on your playing style (in general and for that song), so you cannot define its "output level", just the max ... many discussions already made on this topic, like this one https://www.norduserforum.com/nord-stag ... 18875.html; bottom line managing the level across programs is an art and (yes) takes effort and try/adjust/retry cycles (and it depends also the final output device, what you her in headphoens may sound different than sending the same signal to a stage PA with subwoofers, for example) .

[cphollis]

Leveling across all the programs in a performance is a long and tedious job. There is no "auto" button, but there are ways to make the process easier.

I start by establishing reference sounds and levels for a few programs, then do a back-and-forth compare between the new program and the reference one. I then roll through through all of them quickly. I lightly compress everything to help my sound stay well-behaved. On the NS4, you can create and re-use presets for each section which include volume settings, greatly simplifying the process.

You only can get your levels close ahead of time, never dead on, so I will also monitor the PA mix directly through my IEMs, and then use a volume pedal to place the keys precisely in the mix.

[FZiegler]

The volume of a synth program may vary a lot depending on the filter, the volume of different samples may be the same even if they should sound totallly different by their nature, the volume of a harpsichord or a clav is much more percussive than an organ sound which will again affect the perception of the loudness; not to mention swell and drawbars on the organ. So there never can be a correct normalisation in loudness, and Nord even didn't try to get closer to it.

I started by setting pianos to -2 dB but never got the right relation between them and a lot of other sounds. I now think -9 ~ -6 dB could be a good starting point for standard piano sounds to leave enough overhead for those (synth) sounds which need more amplification.

In the end, your FX settings and use case may define which level is best.

[KeyBard]

Just play everything at full volume! You know, like your bass player probably does.