The letter E is going to make me crazy

[ddurst]

Hi. I've had a NS4 for a few months, read the manual, set up some programs (hope I'm using the right words there, that's been a struggle).

I have two issues and I'm wondering if anyone has seen similar or knows what they are.

1. (the easy one) On some programs, the synth section screen shows a letter "E" (inverted) right-aligned with the "SAMPLE LIBRARY" and I have no idea what it means. (I was just looking at one program that used all three synth layers, and two had the E and the third one did not.) Note that I am talking about programs I have already created, and the synth section's screen (not the main program screen, whose "E" indicates that the sound has been edited). I have not changed these programs since creating them; just made and saved and used as is. I have scoured the updated manual and tried my best to search online, but I've come up with nothing about this. I hope someone knows what this means.

2. (the hard one) Randomly, when I am playing a program (that I have created), the nord will register a control change as if I've edited the program. This is evident because of the "E" that displays on the main screen. It happens so fast that I usually see only a flash out of the corner of my eye and then the resulting E, but *what* changes can affect what sound is coming out. I have gotten this on video once, and the controller change was the delay knob (but delay was not active), and it somehow affected the overall sound of the program. I can't find regular steps to reproduce this -- it's not every program, it's not every time, it's not when I hit it hard, it's not when it's hot, etc. Today I updated to the most recent OS, loaded a factory reset, then loaded my programs back on, and it happened almost immediately. Any wild theories are welcome.

DD

[analogika]

I don't have a Stage 4, but on the Stage 3, pressing the sustain pedal is enough to "edit" a program, if that pedal is assigned to changing the Leslie speed.

[dansnord]

Kind of OT, but I've been wondering, is there a way on Nords (I have an NS4, but I would think it would be across the board) to compare the edited program with the original, saved program?

[dansnord]

Kind of OT, but I've been wondering, is there a way on Nords (I have an NS4, but I would think it would be across the board) to compare the edited program with the original, saved program?

No there is not, unless you save the modified program in a different location (or store the original Progam over a Live buffer and use it as "modification area", comparing it back to original Program while you edit it)

[dansnord]

That's a good use of a live mode! I never considered that. Ironically it's kind of the opposite of live mode's defined use, as it would be when sitting in my studio noodling around, not playing live. But yes, once I have gone down a road of editing a program, copying to a live mode location would allow for further experimentation and easily being able to compare to the previous, saved iteration. Thank you!

[ericL]

Kind of OT, but I've been wondering, is there a way on Nords (I have an NS4, but I would think it would be across the board) to compare the edited program with the original, saved program?

No there is not, unless you save the modified program in a different location (or store the original Progam over a Live buffer and use it as "modification area", comparing it back to original Program while you edit it)

The way this works for me on my NS3 is pretty straightforward. Once I make edits to an existing program and have it ready to be saved to a new location, I usually do "save as" and rename it. Then I hit "save" which will start the program spot flashing and I can toggle to any other program where I want to save it. As I'm toggling through the programs, the existing location will become active and can be checked to see how it compares...including the original, once I scroll back to it. This is a pretty effective way to do the compare function. I always empty out a lot of memory slots to save my new programs, so there's a way to also compare after the fact.

[ddurst]

For 1 I’m posting two pictures. Two different programs, same sample. In both cases, I just loaded the program, no changes of any kind. Image 2009 has no E, image 2010 has the E.

For 2, I’m trying to reproduce it now that I’ve updated to 1.4whatever newest OS.

[maxpiano]

They don't look the same, for example on the second picture the B Layer is OFF while on the first it is ON (and maybe other differences under the hood, due to morphing or anything else).

To verify this in a "scientific" way you should:

- save the Program with the "E" to another location but with same name (or just 1 letter changed)
- use Nord Sound Manager to export the 2 programs (original and "with E") to the computer
- compare the 2 files using a file compare utility app

[analogika]

For 1 I’m posting two pictures. Two different programs, same sample. In both cases, I just loaded the program, no changes of any kind. Image 2009 has no E, image 2010 has the E.

For 2, I’m trying to reproduce it now that I’ve updated to 1.4whatever newest OS.

That looks to me like one of the programs is using a synth preset as-is, and the other is using the same synth preset, but with some settings modified — perhaps slightly different filter settings or a slower attack, whatever. So long as these new settings aren't saved as a new synth preset, they'll show as "edited", even if the program in its entirety (including the synth settings) has been saved.

At least, that would make sense to me.

[ddurst]

For 1, so I tested this this morning, and it definitely is some kind of modification, but I don’t understand it. If I do a “sound init” the E appears. If I select away to a different sample, and then back, there is no E. But if I do a sound init, the E appears and, for that particular sample, it sounds like the envelope is clipping a little bit.