Nord Wave 2 OS Update (Latest version: 1.24Released: 2024June21)

[DJKeys]

Regarding the differences between the S4 and the W2: There was added this "unison sawtooth (Multi Saw) with detune" to the Stage 4 with OS v1.20, and I think this is (still) not available at the Wave 2.

It offers two unison sawtooth - in one single layer - that can be detuned with the OSC CTRL knob. In comparison with the unison function the two voices are still mono and not automatically panned. This is similar to the osc configuration in the A1 (although there were much more possibilities in the osc section).

Is there any difference between this osc type and simply detuning a saw in layer B against layer A in the Wave 2? Seems they would do the same thing. Of course, having it as a pre-assigned configuration that only uses one layer is helpful (as it would be with the square and pulse waves also.) But if I understand correctly there is not a sound that this mode produces which is impossible to create on the Wave, right?

As I mentioned above, the Wave 2 has a number of these dual saws detunable with the Osc Control knob-

-dj

[miglio77]

As I mentioned above, the Wave 2 has a number of these dual saws detunable with the Osc Control knob-

-dj

I don't have the board in front of me but from memory the detuned saw options are some form of octaves and fifths, or the super saw one which is more than two waves. What I was interpreting this mode to be was two saws at the same octave which can be detuned against each other. But you can create this easily with 2 or more layers. You can also use unison, however this changes the stereo spread and is not precisely adjustable.

[DJKeys]

As I mentioned above, the Wave 2 has a number of these dual saws detunable with the Osc Control knob-

-dj

I don't have the board in front of me but from memory the detuned saw options are some form of octaves and fifths, or the super saw one which is more than two waves. What I was interpreting this mode to be was two saws at the same octave which can be detuned against each other. But you can create this easily with 2 or more layers. You can also use unison, however this changes the stereo spread and is not precisely adjustable.

There are two of these, one in the Multi section and one in the super section. Same octave detunable. The Super section also has a couple of Square waves as well.

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[Amadrius]

As I mentioned above, the Wave 2 has a number of these dual saws detunable with the Osc Control knob-

-dj

I don't have the board in front of me but from memory the detuned saw options are some form of octaves and fifths, or the super saw one which is more than two waves. What I was interpreting this mode to be was two saws at the same octave which can be detuned against each other. But you can create this easily with 2 or more layers. You can also use unison, however this changes the stereo spread and is not precisely adjustable.

There are two of these, one in the Multi section and one in the super section. Same octave detunable. The Super section also has a couple of Square waves as well.

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That dual saw on the wave 2 is one octave apart, though. The stage 4 has a configuration with two saws in the same octave.

[Nordlicht]

Of course, having it as a pre-assigned configuration that only uses one layer is helpful (as it would be with the square and pulse waves also.)

Yes, that is the central point. Using only ONE layer for two unison sawtooth oscillators.

And it’s true that the VA-synth capabilities of the W2/S4 are less than in the A1. Especially these "Digital wave" waveforms of the W2/S4 are more or less useless. That’s a pity as the Wave 2 is the only Synth at the moment that provides a proper keybed with aftertouch.

[miglio77]

Okay guys - just stay calm. We need more peace in this world
and I would like to say something to this issue that maybe could be interessting...

In general, I´m afraid no firmware-update will solve this Oscilator issue, since the WAVE2 just don´t offer this possibility. But miracles happen again and again and the latest STAGE4-Firmware upgrade increases its WAVE2 48-polyphony to 56 without any hardware changes. So just let the guys at Clavia work on it - I trust in their Product-Care (otherwise i had' nt bought their product)...

Well - I don´t have the WAVE2 - just the stage4 with the little brother in.

I found the SAW-Sounds in all a little thin and checked the Stage3 with its A1 Synth, that offers me the SAW-Sound I like. There IS surely a difference when using the WAVE2, so it offers its own specific sound, that leaks a bit with the Super- oder Detuned-SAW. But however - with its weaknesses it also has strengths. To me the digital touch is clearer (more useful), while the "analog" warmth is poorer (but Unisono and FX helps). I tried to reproduce "may SAW-SOUNDS" with 2 Parts and different Unisono-Settings plus some detuning via Vibe or Chorus FX. The Result was a new and special Saw-Sound that I really like today and that I won´t like to miss, but not the one I intended.

What I like to say is, that the WAVE2 maybe does not all and maybe not what you´re looking for, but if you tweak around a bit, you come close
and in the end a good own Sample could solve the missing basic sound. Give it a chance...

I had the Stage3, Stage4, Electro5 and Electro6 here for testing (for any reason...) and I have to say, that all these different Models / Generation have their own characteristics, even if we´re talking about a mass production PBX. It is surely not CLAVIAs intention, to build different models, that do the same. I would say, even the different generations have their own characteristics (what i appreciate...) As it comes down to own just one model, the final point is: like it or don’t like it. You will not make the toaster brew some coffee and if the WAVE does not offer YOUR SAW-Sound, just replace it against an A1 or something! Life is to short, to use the wrong Keyboard - maybe your challenge to find YOUR perfect key has not come to an end yet...

With that, I found this video of Brother Marc interesting and helpful for this issue - maybe you find some help in too:

Hi Mac,

Thank you for your response.

I appreciate the calm atmosphere in this forum, as we are all here to help each other and share our knowledge.

To clarify, my previous response was intended to be constructive. I wanted to emphasize that we are here to share ideas rather than create divisions. I noticed that some responses focused more on personal experiences with the Nord Wave 2 rather than engaging with the idea I proposed, which was dismissed as not useful, when in fact it is an idea that would benefit everyone.

As a professional sound designer, I chose the Nord Wave 2 for my work and thought it would be useful to have the ability to configure the slots similarly to the A1. This proposal comes from my experience with this synth, which I am excited about, and I obviously have many other synths as well. It is intended to enhance our collective understanding and use.

I believe that having configurations for the oscillators in the Nord Wave 2 could be a valuable addition for everyone, as it is fundamental for any synth sound. Rather than focusing on the current setup or trying to give me a lesson on how to find a workaround (I find it quite amusing that someone try explaining to me how to configure two slots to achieve two oscillators), I think we could hope for additions that could benefit all users.

The Nord Stage 4 demonstrates that two-oscillator configurations on the same octave are indeed possible, and I believe we could hope for a solution that incorporates this functionality in the Nord Wave 2 as well. It already exists; we would just need to add a semitone control to adjust the tuning of the second oscillator.

Thank you for considering my thoughts. I hope for future discussions focused on how can improve our tools rather than ending up lecturing each other on unrequested topics

[M_a_c]

... anyway - so many emotions are showing up a good point for an attentive manufacturer, to consider a change / improvement in the OSC-Situation for a possible next Firmware-Update (or should we say Firmware "improvement"). I´m still impressed of the after-sales-work the guys at Clavia are doing. Even if other manufacturers are offering Firmware-Updates too, I can see what Clavia is doing here and there is a difference. It seems to me, they really work on bugs and things, making the user unhappy instead of implementing questionable functions. Let us do their work - but well - wonders are excluded (only in common)...

[eisblau]

I am also hoping that they will update the wave 2 to include the improvements that were added to the stage 4. It seems like this would not be difficult to do.


Just curious, to which improvements do you refer?

-dj

AFAIK the Nord folks don't read the forums here. Somebody would have to use the contact form on the Nord homepage to let them know.

[waxdoctor]

I am also hoping that they will update the wave 2 to include the improvements that were added to the stage 4. It seems like this would not be difficult to do.


Just curious, to which improvements do you refer?

-dj

AFAIK the Nord folks don't read the forums here. Somebody would have to use the contact form on the Nord homepage to let them know.

As I already mentioned in another thread, I contacted them a month ago RE: vibrato bug, but no answer at all.
Bad behavior and/or bad support team in my country.
It's like sending an email to outer space.

[maxpiano]

I am also hoping that they will update the wave 2 to include the improvements that were added to the stage 4. It seems like this would not be difficult to do.


Just curious, to which improvements do you refer?

-dj

AFAIK the Nord folks don't read the forums here. Somebody would have to use the contact form on the Nord homepage to let them know.

As I already mentioned in another thread, I contacted them a month ago RE: vibrato bug, but no answer at all.
Bad behavior and/or bad support team in my country.
It's like sending an email to outer space.

The contact form on Nord website is routed via your local Country distributor: which country are you from and/or have you tried to contact the distributor directly (phone or mail) too?