Volume /swell pedal

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Re: Volume /swell pedal

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judynord wrote:
christianjwagner wrote:There might be some difference in tonalities, but I guess you need to really listen closely to determine that. So I decided to make my life less complicated and just use an expression pedal, and morphing volume with that at my "gusto".
Has anyone figured out if "Swell" does anything different from adjusting the volume of exclusively organ patches?
Swell on Nord keyboards (and also other) mimics the specific way in which a Hammond (and other) volume pedal used to work, including tone change when at lower positions + the fact that sound output never goes to mute/0 (like in a real Hammond). Just google for "Hammond swell" if you want to find more about it. :)
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Re: Volume /swell pedal

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Swell is not the same as volume.

1. It does not go to zero
2. The level adjustment is not linear from soft to loud
3. it increases the drive/distortion as the volume gets louder
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Re: Volume /swell pedal

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Thanks! I recently moved from NE6 to Stage3 and have not had the time to explore the morphe functions. That's a game changer for live performance.
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Re: Volume /swell pedal

Post by JeffLearman »

christianjwagner wrote: 22 Sep 2022, 11:14 Personally, I would refrain from using the Swell function anyways.
On the other hand, if you want to play authentic Hammond parts, the swell pedal is critical. If you have Drive set to zero, you won't hear much of a difference between swell and volume, but if you have it set at 50% or higher the difference is considerable, and important for certain kinds of parts.

For authentic Hammond playing, your foot should be on that pedal pretty much all the time. It's an extremely important part of the performance, just as important as changing drawbar settings and Leslie speed as you play.

In a pop band context where the Hammond parts are pretty much window dressing, no big deal either way. But if you're trying to sound like a real player, you absolutely need a swell pedal, and you need to use it a lot, and with artistic intent. So there should never be any surprise at the volume when you begin playing, since your foot is on that pedal.

Regarding the difference in tone: the swell pedal on a Hammond is between the organ and the Hammond preamp (and Leslie.) If either the Hammond preamp or the Leslie gain is set at the point where it will distort when pushed, then pushing the pedal will cause that distortion. A volume pedal (assuming you're using a full-range flat-response amp/speaker system, which you normally should) shouldn't change the tone at all. In the signal chain, it's the last thing before the output, other than the master level knob.

The fact that the swell never goes to zero is authentic to the original, though IMHO it's unnecessarily authentic. The upside is that we get a little more control in the normal range.
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