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Lumserei wrote:Can anyone confirm that clean and vintage 1 are absolutely identical on the Nord Stage 3 and that vintage 2 offers a little too much crosstalk?
So actually vintage 1 would be the ideal setting if it wasn't a copy of clean ...

Not sure if they are identical (would need a spectrum analyzer to say that), but actually difference is hard to hear you are right, I use Vintage 1 setting just in case .

They have been spectrum analysed:

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I remember there was some user who had found a way to distinguish between the two not just by using a spectrum analysiser but by actually playing a note and hear the difference for real. I can't find the post now, however it was something very very specific that shows up only in very limited circumstances (EQ had to be in a certain way, and the note played had to be a specific note, etc.).

So I guess to answer Lumserei's question: yes they are factually "different" but they are, at the same time, absolutely identical for any real usage situation that anyone could ever imagine.

My impression is that they intended them to be more different than they are, but then for some reason they ended up being basically the same and never bothered correcting it.

The kind of crosstalk in Vintage 2 corresponds exactly to the behavior that I like very much in the real B3 but it is simply much too much ... there is missing exactly that somewhat reduced in Vintage 1. -> So the only workaround at the moment is to reduce the eq treble and give the high drawbars a bit more.

On Nord organs, I never use different foot positions in step 8 because, for example, 5-1/3" step 6 is equivalent to that of 8 on a real Hammond.
So the drawbar suggestions for real Hammonds would have to be corrected to the Nord values first.
Otherwise for Leslie I like to use a Ventilator II on output 4 and send the return back into the 1/4" aux input, then you can select between internal and external Leslie per preset. With the internal I love the slow acceleration, but horn and bass on speed high only so the chorus / friction approximate a real 122 although the speed is actually too fast.
To get closer to the sound of the Vent with the internal Leslie I like to add CHORus 2 rate 2.5 amount 3 which makes it a bit wider and more colorful without creating an additional audible chorus effect.

Wolfgang T wrote: ↑21 Oct 2022, 18:01

FZiegler wrote: I just remembered there was a discussion lately, but it wasn't this year. Interestingly, there are recommendations for 40/60 as for 60/40 concerning the bass/horn relation of the rotary effect. And does the NE6 have "Clean|Vintage" as a setting - for a more "used" sound?

In the NE 6 there are 7 menus for the B3:

Tonehell Mode, Click Level, Trigger point, rotary speaker, rotary balance, rotary rotor and rotary horn

I couldn't find a clean/vintage setting in the NE6.

Referring to the Rotary Balance (bass/treble) horn setting, I also found that you can make very good fundamental changes to the B3 Organ.

There's more settings on NE5 ....key bounce and a vintage 3 setting

It all depends on what you are going for, atmosphere-wise. Some people want the full-on, smoky blues bar ambience, with a rusty-squeezebox Hammond that clatters and groans and you can hear the screws falling out inside the Leslie and dishes being stacked in the kitchen.

If you're a church organist, that's obviously not what you are going for. There are no over-flowing ashtrays rattling around in heaven...