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That's the way to do it and has it has always been done on instruments that don't have a song mode, the downside is that if you use the same Program in different songs you need to make multiple copies of it in the appropriate location for each song (or use Live buffers for those very frequent cases and now with NS4 you'll have 8).

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I think he means that you need different versions of the same program if you don’t have or use a song mode function and arrange programs the “classic” or “legacy” way

capone83 wrote:

maxpiano wrote:That's the way to do it and has it has always been done on instruments that don't have a song mode, the downside is that if you use the same Program in different songs you need to make multiple copies of it in the appropriate location for each song (or use Live buffers for those very frequent cases and now with NS4 you'll have 8).

In my opinion, that's the legacy way to do it. If a songs only requires one patch, the other slots of the bank are wasted. Furthermore, I have programmed some 'basic sounds' which I use for different songs. With song mode, I can point to them, don't have to duplicate it and can sort the songlist according to the setlist.

Yes i agree... Maybe the new Preset feature can come in handy here. With presets i understand you can store configurations of entire sections (Piano, Organ, Synth) or layers within, so you for instance can store your own "Jazz Piano", with individual effects as one preset, and again another soft Jazz Piano Soft Patch wit its own effect. These presets I believe can be used in different programs together within the same "song". The question is... if you change the original "Jazz Piano" preset, does it then also change the instances used in your "song"?

...wait for the manual/tutorial..

capone83 wrote:

maxpiano wrote:That's the way to do it and has it has always been done on instruments that don't have a song mode, the downside is that if you use the same Program in different songs you need to make multiple copies of it in the appropriate location for each song (or use Live buffers for those very frequent cases and now with NS4 you'll have 8).

In my opinion, that's the legacy way to do it. If a songs only requires one patch, the other slots of the bank are wasted. Furthermore, I have programmed some 'basic sounds' which I use for different songs. With song mode, I can point to them, don't have to duplicate it and can sort the songlist according to the setlist.

No one prevents you from using the same bank for 2 songs if they need just few Programs, anyway of course this is legacy on "instruments that don't have a song (setlist) mode" built in, as far as NS4 is concerned let's wait the manual and we'll see what else is possible using the new Presets or anything else.

larsjulin wrote:...With presets i understand you can store configurations of entire sections (Piano, Organ, Synth) or layers within, so you for instance can store your own "Jazz Piano", with individual effects as one preset, and again another soft Jazz Piano Soft Patch wit its own effect. These presets I believe can be used in different programs together within the same "song". The question is... if you change the original "Jazz Piano" preset, does it then also change the instances used in your "song"?

My speculation, but I anticipate that the presets will work as they do today with the synth presets where the preset is used as a starting point in program creation and the program includes all settings used including changes to the original preset. A change to the underlying preset won't change the settings of a program that uses it; however if the preset is selected again, the settings in the program will change to what's used in the preset and the program will need to be saved if you want to keep them.

On an average night, my main band will play 45-50 songs with 2-3 custom parts each, from a larger collection of maybe 80 or so. Songs come and go, and we're always shuffling the setlist right up to the gig. Plus I have a few setlists I've done for other acts that might call again. So I am a heavy user of the song mode feature, as are a few others.

While the new functionality is great for some use cases, I have to wait to see the manual to see if there is equivalent functionality for gig warriors like me without resorting to an external piece of software. Just one more thing to look after

I gave up on the song mode for the same reason. Either The songs got shuffled around, or suddenly we played a song that was not in my songlist, and I had to browse through my programs to find the right one.
Another issue I have, that I never tried to fix, was if i had several song lists, and took one from one songlist into a new, it disappeared from the first songlist.
Now, my presets are mostly pretty basic, either AP, Rhodes or Wurly, and some special combinations with the songs name as program name.
So the best option for me is to organize my songs in alphabetical order (one day I hope … ) via the software and use the scroll wheel, or with the new NS4 and 8 numerical keys, find a logical system to hit the most used programs.
I have never got used to the program buttons, hopefully 8 buttons will get it easier.
I miss the simplicity from my old M1, where all programs was sorted in a system that was easy to remember, and with 10 numerical keys.
I dont remember it anymore, but something that all pianos was 01,11, 21, 31, 41, 51, 61 and so on. Strings was 07,17, 27,…

Bjosko wrote: I miss the simplicity from my old M1, where all programs was sorted in a system that was easy to remember, and with 10 numerical keys.
I dont remember it anymore, but something that all pianos was 01,11, 21, 31, 41, 51, 61 and so on. Strings was 07,17, 27,…

That was true for M1 factory presets but then you could change it for user's; you can organize your sounds in the same way on a Nord as well (some people do that) or dedicate bone or more banks to a specific instrument group or patch type. Category also helps to keep things organized and I agree that having 9 buttons on NS4 would improve also.

WannitBBBad wrote:

larsjulin wrote:...With presets i understand you can store configurations of entire sections (Piano, Organ, Synth) or layers within, so you for instance can store your own "Jazz Piano", with individual effects as one preset, and again another soft Jazz Piano Soft Patch wit its own effect. These presets I believe can be used in different programs together within the same "song". The question is... if you change the original "Jazz Piano" preset, does it then also change the instances used in your "song"?

My speculation, but I anticipate that the presets will work as they do today with the synth presets where the preset is used as a starting point in program creation and the program includes all settings used including changes to the original preset. A change to the underlying preset won't change the settings of a program that uses it; however if the preset is selected again, the settings in the program will change to what's used in the preset and the program will need to be saved if you want to keep them.

I would like it this way. My issues (as a new user to Nord for one month) with the song mode were (1) that I do have to change the program in the NS3C to get changes and (2) that the NS3C did not remeber changes at a program during a live performance if you switch between parts of the song. Regarding (1) in addition I ended up in creating different version of the same program (Bright PianoPad, PianoPad, PianoStandard, etc.). The new NS4C would be better in this case. Regarding (2) we are waiting on the facts of the Layering Scene II feature, which could help me in my setup.

In addition I will have a look on the app bandhelper which could be a better way than song mode. It also could be a way to manage the complete band in a more efficient way.