NS3 Bug reports etc.

[RichardG]

Unless I misread the info about the different updates, it's done...

I don't follow...
The only thing about Reverb in the updates is this :
Rotary Reverb changes: Panel A is still “Reverb master” when a layer is using Rotary in both A & B. If using only Panel B however, Rotary is now controlled from Panel B

That has nothing to do with the audio-path, unless I'm missing something completely...

[alcools]

New bug, can you confirm please ?

> When you control an external gear (a G2 engine for me), the pitch bend messages are to slow: When you use the bend slowly, there is no problem, but with fast moves, it lags and does steps. Try with a 12 semi-tone pitch bend ranged sound.
> Fast pitch bend actions made my G2 freeze few times, and I had to reboot my G2 AND my NS3 to stop the note.

[Mr_-G-]

Fast pitch bend actions made my G2 freeze few times, and I had to reboot my G2 AND my NS3 to stop the note.

Does the Panic Button in the NS3 work?

[RichardG]

In a real Leslie, nothing could come after it, so it makes sense that it be the last effect in the chain.

I agree in a RealWorld (tm) situation.
I regard both Delay and Reverb as an acoustic effect AFTER the sound has been generated, so how it would sound in an actual hall or room.

Just tested with the Amp section inbetween.
It sounds like Organ -> Amp -> Reverb -> Leslie. (Reverb as effect)
As opposed to NS2 Organ->Amp->Leslie->Reverb. (Reverb as an acoustic phenomenon)

Just found out that the same happens with the Delay.
It's fed BEFORE the Lesie so if a really long feedback is used you can "control" the sound by changing the speed of the Leslie.
I will amend my original request to Clavia for the Delay as well although the sound-change isn't as obvious as with Reverb.

The main problem is in the combination of sections.
There can be only one (tm) section using an effect BAR reverb.
So having a long hall reverb will sound differently for organ and piano giving them both a "swirly" effect.

(On another note, never understood why effects can't be switched on for multiple sections, i.e. chorus for both synth and piano.
Same like choosing 2 parts of the keyboard in a 2-split = 3 parts situation.
Another request I will put in )

[RichardG]

Anyway, I've created a Google Sheet form to document the bugs. Feel free to improve/edit/add/confirm bugs through that... Currently it's open to anyone with the link; if that creates problems, I'll revoke permissions to edit and hand it out to only those that ask.

The link is here:

I've added a second Tab to that sheet called "Requests" (and renamed the first one to "Bugs").
The requests I send to Clavia are in there.
I hope this is a good way to track everything in one place !

[alcools]

Fast pitch bend actions made my G2 freeze few times, and I had to reboot my G2 AND my NS3 to stop the note.

Does the Panic Button in the NS3 work?

Not in this case

And I had a G2 freeze with the wheel 5 minutes ago too.

[analogika]

In a real Leslie, nothing could come after it, so it makes sense that it be the last effect in the chain.

I agree in a RealWorld (tm) situation.
I regard both Delay and Reverb as an acoustic effect AFTER the sound has been generated, so how it would sound in an actual hall or room.

Just tested with the Amp section inbetween.
It sounds like Organ -> Amp -> Reverb -> Leslie. (Reverb as effect)
As opposed to NS2 Organ->Amp->Leslie->Reverb. (Reverb as an acoustic phenomenon)

Just found out that the same happens with the Delay.
It's fed BEFORE the Lesie so if a really long feedback is used you can "control" the sound by changing the speed of the Leslie.
I will amend my original request to Clavia for the Delay as well although the sound-change isn't as obvious as with Reverb.

The main problem is in the combination of sections.
There can be only one (tm) section using an effect BAR reverb.
So having a long hall reverb will sound differently for organ and piano giving them both a "swirly" effect.

Are you sure? The manual (Rev. C) says:

"ROtARY sPEAKER AND REVERB
If Reverb is active on a panel where the Rotary speaker effect is turned on, a “copy” of that Re- verb will be applied to the audio going into the Rotary. In other words, Reverb is applied before the Rotary speaker, for any sound engine assigned to it."

So, if I'm reading that correctly, a piano not assigned to the Leslie gets the regular reverb, while the organ (which goes through the Leslie) gets the PRE-Leslie reverb.

While I do currently have "natural" acoustic reverb on most of my Stage 2 organ patches, I'm pretty stoked about this, as I frequently play my B3 with its internal spring reverb and/or a Space Echo tape delay (both of which of course run through the Leslie). I've been wishing for this routing for a long time.

I do agree that it would be nice to have it optional, though.

[RichardG]

Just tested with my NS2 again (as long as I still have it )

The latest NS2 manual says :
The Rotary effect is placed after the panel effects in Nord Stage 2’s
signal path.


This indeed is true for the Delay. So that's still the same in NS3 and never noticed it before.
But the Reverb, if I read it correctly, is NOT part of the Panel effects and indeed sounds like it's AFTER the Panel effects.

I found what you quoted from the manual so this looks like a change from the NS2.
It also explains why the reverb sounds a bit like a phaser : both Reverbs (pre and post Leslie) are in the output.
So all we would need parameter-wise is an option to either copy the sound to the Leslie or not and all is well

Together we'll come to the ultimate solution, thanx for being critical and constructive !

[baekgaard]

I've added a second Tab to that sheet called "Requests" (and renamed the first one to "Bugs").
The requests I send to Clavia are in there.
I hope this is a good way to track everything in one place !

Yep, great idea

On a side note, I've been travelling and away from my board for some time, but am now back again. But that's the reason for the lack of input from my side for a while, in case someone wondered...

[alcools]

New bug, can you confirm please ?

> When you control an external gear (a G2 engine for me), the pitch bend messages are to slow: When you use the bend slowly, there is no problem, but with fast moves, it lags and does steps. Try with a 12 semi-tone pitch bend ranged sound.
> Fast pitch bend actions made my G2 freeze few times, and I had to reboot my G2 AND my NS3 to stop the note.

Anybody has tested ?