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anotherscott wrote:

aureliopenna wrote: MIDI recorded on NS3 and played through DAW on Both Keyboards.

There has been conversation about the NS3 not responding properly to velocities received over MIDI, possibly fixed in a recent update. See the thread at http://www.norduserforum.com/nord-stage ... 13962.html

Do you have the newest software installed?

Besides hearing how they play MIDI files, it would be interesting to hear recordings of you actually playing the piece (recording the audio live), on both the NS2 and the NS3, to rule out any such MIDI issue. That way the results would literally be "this is what it sounds like when I play it on the NS2 vs. when I play it on the NS3." On both instruments, in terms of dynamics, you may find yourself playing the piece subtly differently based on the feedback you're getting from the instrument in real time. In theory, each should then be presented at its best.

After listening to the audio samples several times, I agree with you. it seems to me that when the midi files are played back in ns2 they sound more expressive. It seems to have greater dynamic range.

anotherscott wrote:

aureliopenna wrote:I will try to play something in one keyboard, and then try to play something close on the other.

That would be interesting to hear. Do the two boards have the same kinds of actions (i.e. are they both 88 Hammer Action or whatever)?

And getting back to the other point, if you don't have the newest software loaded into your NS3, it could also be interesting to hear the NS3 results again if you play the same MIDI file into the NS3 updated to current.

OS 1.32 here.
They both are compact so they have the same action (at least in theory)

Anderson Gandin wrote:

anotherscott wrote:

aureliopenna wrote: MIDI recorded on NS3 and played through DAW on Both Keyboards.

There has been conversation about the NS3 not responding properly to velocities received over MIDI, possibly fixed in a recent update. See the thread at http://www.norduserforum.com/nord-stage ... 13962.html

Do you have the newest software installed?

Besides hearing how they play MIDI files, it would be interesting to hear recordings of you actually playing the piece (recording the audio live), on both the NS2 and the NS3, to rule out any such MIDI issue. That way the results would literally be "this is what it sounds like when I play it on the NS2 vs. when I play it on the NS3." On both instruments, in terms of dynamics, you may find yourself playing the piece subtly differently based on the feedback you're getting from the instrument in real time. In theory, each should then be presented at its best.

After listening to the audio samples several times, I agree with you. it seems to me that when the midi files are played back in ns2 they sound more expressive. It seems to have greater dynamic range.

Which make me believe that we are listening to same nuances that we believe it's important.

I decided to post one more song.
This time I didn´t play it, I did something that I should did since the begining of this thread. Got a MIDI file, (This time a well known one!) which I don´t know on which keyboard it was played, and did another comparison, playing it though midi cable on both keyboards. The MIDI file is followed bellow too, so you guys can test your own keyboards with it too if you wish.
As everyone knows this piece has a lot of dynamics, that certainly goes to 0 to 127 MIDI range so I suggest you donwload it and see the waveform and the range of the audio on your audio software if you want to compare.
And before someone, once again, demonstrates their disaffection with this kind of posting, I have to say that if other people had the time and the will to make these comparisons that I'm so assiduously and boring doing, maybe I did not rush to bought NS3 for now.

• Beethoven 3mov MIDI Grand Imperial Lrg NS3.mp3

• Beethoven 3mov MIDI Grand Imperial Lrg NS2.mp3

aureliopenna wrote:I decided to post one more song.
This time I didn´t play it, I did something that I should did since the begining of this thread. Got a MIDI file, (This time a well known one!) which I don´t know on which keyboard it was played, and did another comparison, playing it though midi cable on both keyboards. The MIDI file is followed bellow too, so you guys can test your own keyboards with it too if you wish.
As everyone knows this piece has a lot of dynamics, that certainly goes to 0 to 127 MIDI range so I suggest you donwload it and see the waveform and the range of the audio on your audio software if you want to compare.
And before someone, once again, demonstrates their disaffection with this kind of posting, I have to say that if other people had the time and the will to make these comparisons that I'm so assiduously and boring doing, maybe I did not rush to bought NS3 for now.

• Beethoven 3mov MIDI Grand Imperial Lrg NS3.mp3

• Beethoven 3mov MIDI Grand Imperial Lrg NS2.mp3

6103d_moonlight_sonata_27-2_3_(nc)smythe.mid

I think I like the NS2 better.

It seems like consistently, the NS3 behaves as if everything is being played more forcefully. That is very much the problem described at
nord-stage-forum-f3/velocity-problems-using-external-88-keyboard-with-the-ns3-t13962.html
so maybe, despite one report implying the contrary, this has not yet been addressed, or not fully. But again, the complain is specifically about how the NS3 responds over MIDI, which is also what hese examples are demonstrating. For most people, who are playing the Nord from its own keys, this comparison may not be relevant to what they will experience. That's why, again, what I'd really like to hear is a recording of someone actually playing an NS3 from its own keys (recording the audio output as they play) and also playing the same piece on the NS2.

The NS3 is brighter (and seems to be more open to my ears). I prefer the NS3 tone.

However, the NS2 definitely has better dynamics, more subtlety and range from soft to loud.

anotherscott wrote:It seems like consistently, the NS3 behaves as if everything is being played more forcefully. That is very much the problem described at
nord-stage-forum-f3/velocity-problems-using-external-88-keyboard-with-the-ns3-t13962.html
so maybe, despite one report implying the contrary, this has not yet been addressed, or not fully. But again, the complain is specifically about how the NS3 responds over MIDI, which is also what hese examples are demonstrating. For most people, who are playing the Nord from its own keys, this comparison may not be relevant to what they will experience. That's why, again, what I'd really like to hear is a recording of someone actually playing an NS3 from its own keys (recording the audio output as they play) and also playing the same piece on the NS2.

Yes totally agree, but if you open this audio file on an audio software, you'll see that the audio is kind of "compressed" on NS3. Why? Because this piece goes from ppp to fff which means almost 0 to 127 and NS3 didn't react to that as NS2. That is my point. I can also play something on NS3 and try to play the same no NS2. I'll do it next.

Hi there!
Is there someone that could kindly play, record and post the aureliopenna's 6103d_moonlight_sonata_27-2_3_(nc)smythe.mid with a Nord Stage 3 88?
I'd like listening any differences.
Thanks!!

aureliopenna wrote:this piece goes from ppp to fff which means almost 0 to 127 and NS3 didn't react to that as NS2. That is my point.

Yes, that's what people in that other thread were complaining about, that the NS3 velocity curve is off on data received via MIDI (but not when played from its own action), such that the dynamics are messed up, and low MIDI velocities which should result in quieter notes/passages are ending up too loud.

aureliopenna wrote:I can also play something on NS3 and try to play the same no NS2. I'll do it next.

Cool, looking forward to it!