synth used in "Maneater" and "I Can Dream About You"?

[neolithic]

The FM oscillator is a nice touch, but it is quite simple when compared to the DX7 architecture.

Indeed. Although I'm hoping to discover some hidden depths given time

[monsterjazzlicks]

The FM oscillator is a nice touch, but it is quite simple when compared to the DX7 architecture.

Oh OK. Well I guess most people go straight for their FM8/FM7 VST these days as a first-port-of-call for FM Synthesis.

[monsterjazzlicks]

love old synths! Just keep me away from eBay!DX

Here is a quick DX21 self-creation I made last night (albeit at 3am!). It is the SAME patch used in 3 x different zones, hence used 3 x different ways:



Not sure what the NAVIGATION is like on the NS2 for EDITING FM? It is quite cumbersome on the DX's to say the least!

[Mr_-G-]

It is difficult to properly understand the algorithms. For example the feedback (FB) is it from the [carrier] to the [modulator] (like in the DX7 algorithms 4 & 6), or within [modulator] itself (like op6 in algorithm 1) or the [carrier] itself (algorithm 32)?
The DX7 had all those kinds. Also there is only one EG that can be applied to the shape parameter, so it is not clear in the 3 Op algorithms, i.e. [carrier]<-[modulator]<-[modulator] what is that controlling.
Is there any documentation apart of what the manual says?

[monsterjazzlicks]

It is difficult to properly understand the algorithms. For example the feedback (FB) is it from the [carrier] to the [modulator] (like in the DX7 algorithms 4 & 6), or within [modulator] itself (like op6 in algorithm 1) or the [carrier] itself (algorithm 32)? The DX7 had all those kinds. Also there is only one EG that can be applied to the shape parameter, so it is not clear in the 3 Op algorithms, i.e. [carrier]<-[modulator]<-[modulator] what is that controlling. Is there any documentation apart of what the manual says?

Well the NS CLASSIC manual is dreadfully thin!

I would guess that the EG is either controlling ALL three OP's, or, ONLY the CARRIER.

[Mr_-G-]

I think the Amp EG controls the carrier. Then the Modulation EG (and LFO too) could be controlling just the last modulator in the chain, or both modulators. I am not sure about this and that is unclear in the manual.

[monsterjazzlicks]

I am not sure about this and that is unclear in the manual.

Exactly, the MANUAL is hopeless! Probably best to tweak and just use your EARS as a guide (this method seems to work best in many situations. lol!).

[hand solo]

i need to spend some time messing with the FM. I haven't done a lot with it so far - I found it a bit uninspiring tbh.
Meanwhile this thread has gone way off course - it was originally a request for (and response with) a patch that was based on subtractive synthesis - not FM we may get more input if we start a new FM topic, but right now I haven't got a lot to offer, so I'll post when I have!

[monsterjazzlicks]

we may get more input if we start a new FM topic, but right now I haven't got a lot to offer, so I'll post when I have!

Well if you can come up with any ideas/discoveries for the FM engine then please share (esp for Stage Classic!).

[neolithic]

we may get more input if we start a new FM topic, but right now I haven't got a lot to offer, so I'll post when I have!

Well if you can come up with any ideas/discoveries for the FM engine then please share (esp for Stage Classic!).

I don't have access to a classic i'm afraid. But I did spend some time today really messing with the FM synth and it pretty much all fell into place . I understand what they did, why they did it, and actually it's quite cool! I'll create a new topic with a kind of 'FM synth' guide when I get around to it.