NS3 Bug reports etc.

[baekgaard]

Hm... not sure what the differences are between the Roland pedals, and I'm not sure how to see what mine are (I have several that I've used with the NS3 without any problems). If the DP-6 is the "plain" version, then that is what I tested this morning. I have also one that is half-pedal compatible (with Rolands keyboards); that may be the DP-10 you have also? In any case, I've used that with the NS3 but have never had it connected while booting -- I'll try to see tonight if I could reproduce that error.

I also doubt the output routing could have an impact on the pedal.

[nico4802]

I will also try tonight to diagnose more precisely the problem and the exact conditions under which the bug occurs...

[fjzingo]

I did not send to Clavia wanted to see how much of a problem you already reported to Clavia before drowning them in error reports. Will send now.

Enabling both extern and global do send send two note on messages. I tried to look at the exact levels, but also did play Alicia keys VST piano, NAtive instruments it was impossible to play using the global mode, but ok at all settings in the extern.....

Not being able to separate between Midi and USB is limiting and stupid. It's really weird Clavia did not try to implement the full Nord stage 2 midi implementation and build from there.

The triple pedal sends a total of 4 CC 64 messages from the extern section, with values 1-4 instead of one with 127. In Global mode the sustain sends six !!! sustain on messages with a value of 128. The other two pedals don't lead to any values being sent. The global channel also seems to be set to a velocity setting which is even harder than the hard section in the extern section making it very difficult to play vst pianos dynamically in this mode. The midi-implementation feels very far from ready in the nord stage 3 which means Clavia has quite some homework to do....perhaps realeasing the stage 3 a little to early thinking of all those complementing their stage 2/2EX with mainstage and other synts.

Thanks for adding the pedal problems to the bug sheet Did you also send it directly to Nord?

As for the velocity scaling, I tested it at some time earlier (also with a midi monitor), and I think I found that both enabling the global and the extern would send out two key events for each key press. Then, by setting the keyb velocity to hard, it seemed that the values would be identical for the two -- but this was probably on 1.00 some time ago, and I'm not sure if it's just my memory that fails me. I may need to test it again.

I also didn't find any setting for separating what is sent via USB and the midi outs? Perhaps I missed something?

This, I think, is intentional. In appendix 1, it says that the two are active at the same time and that "There is no no need to choose between the options in a menu or similar".

[fjzingo]

Works fine with my DP-6 both for controlling rotor and sustain, plugged in at start or not.

sorry, I made a mistake, it's not a DP-6 pedal but a ROLAND DP-10 pedal...
I've connected the pedal to the sustain pedal connection and the settings are "auto"...

(I also modified yesterday the output panel settings A/B to "monitor" (panel A and B output stereo 1/2 and stereo 3/4, but I suppose that this has nothing to do with...)

[nico4802]

The problem is localized, the bug occurs ONLY when starting the keyboard if the pedal is connected AND if the switch position on the pedal is set to "continuous" (two positions : "switch" and "continuous").
No problem if switch is set to "switch" position...

someone can confirm it ?

[baekgaard]

I'll try a bit later to reproduce and confirm it

[Antago]

Tested it with a Roland dp-10.

Sustain Pedal Type: Auto
Sustain Pedal Function: Sustain
Hardware switch located on the pedal itself: continuous
Result: Freezes @ boot

Sustain Pedal Type: Open
Sustain Pedal Function: Sustain
Hardware switch located on the pedal itself: continuous
Result: Freezes @ boot

Sustain Pedal Type: Open
Sustain Pedal Function: Sustain
Hardware switch located on the pedal itself: switch
Result: boots normally

Sustain Pedal Type: Auto
Sustain Pedal Function: Sustain
Hardware switch located on the pedal itself: switch
Result: boots normally

Funny thing, if you boot it up with the pedal disconnected and go to the sustain settings it will say "Auto NC". If you plug the DP-10 in with the switch set to continuous it'll say "Auto ???".
If you plug the DP-10 in with the switch set to switch it'll go from "Auto NC" to "Auto Open"

[baekgaard]

Same here, also just reproduced the error. I've added it to the bugsheet and will forward again to Nord... I've added the two of you to the bugsheet, and also used some of the wording above in the bugreport.

[baekgaard]

Same here, also just reproduced the error. I've added it to the bugsheet and will forward again to Nord... I've added the two of you to the bugsheet, and also used some of the wording above in the bugreport.

Thank you so much for doing this!

Also, I think #18 should be moved to the Major category. Having the volume pedal control the volume of the NS 3 is critical IMO.

-dj

[maxpiano]

Same here, also just reproduced the error. I've added it to the bugsheet and will forward again to Nord... I've added the two of you to the bugsheet, and also used some of the wording above in the bugreport.

I am not sure that connection a non compatible pedal (continuous sustain) can be called strictly a "bug", even if actually doing the same on NS2 would not freeze the boot...